What if Jesus were gay?

Wendell Berry has effectively stirred the pot. In my homestate, Kentucky, at my alma mater, Georgetown College, Berry spoke about gay marriage. He spoke to the cultural palpitations revealing a diseased spirit. It’s a spirit steeped in hate, and maligned by the cancer of an indignant indifference to the other.

At one point Berry stated, “When I consider the hostility of political churches to homosexuality and homosexual marriage, I do so remembering the history of Christian war, torture, terror, slavery and annihilation against Jews, Muslims, black Africans, American Indians and others.”

Hostility, not hospitality, too often becomes the rallying spirit with which dreams are shattered and love suffocated. In my mind, it has always remained a mystery as to how the message of Christ could so often, and throughout history, be aligned with evil and hate.

Maybe William James was right that pugnacity has been bred into us. Or, perhaps, still, Hegel’s assertion that history remains a slaughter bench is the best categorization. Whatever the case might be, I’m convinced that it’s not the message of Christ that compels such heinous and hateful actions.

Wendell Berry’s words point American Christianity to a deeper question about who we are. It’s not the first time we’ve had the chance to peer deeper into our zealous hostility toward “those” that are “different.”

There was Roger Williams who attempted to protect the Native Americans from murder. Deaf ears received Williams’s words.

There was Dorothy Day who attempted to raise the consciousness of Americans concerning the poor. We have yet to be transformed by the richness her words possess.

There was Bayard Rustin who worked tirelessly to organize marches, including the March on Washington, in order to see cultural and societal change. We have seen legal change, but our culture still suffers from racial oppression.

Berry’s voice joins the myriad of voices calling attention to the oppression of a particular group that resembles oppression seen throughout history.

We have yet to see Jesus as the homosexual. Many see homosexuality as a threat to their way of life. Much of it has to do with the fact that the LGBTQ community remains a perceived, though not actual, enemy. What if Jesus were among us? What if Jesus said, “When I was hungry, you fed me; when I was naked, you clothed me; when I was the homosexual, you welcomed me.” We say that to not welcome the stranger, to not love your enemies, means not loving Jesus.

What if we said that to not welcome the homosexual means to not welcome Jesus? What if we saw Jesus as the homosexual? If we can see Jesus as the one in need, the one oppressed, why can’t we see Jesus as the homosexual?

What this question exposes, however, is that on both sides of the aisle there exists an unchecked cancer growing within our congregations. We resort to ignorance and ad hominum attacks because many live into hate, rather than love. Howard Thurman wrote in Jesus and the Disinherited, “Jesus rejected hatred because he saw that hatred meant death to the mind, death to the spirit, death to communion with his Father.”

We must choose the higher course of love that seeks compromise and transformation, not hatred’s tyrannical reign of death.

In the end, this question says more about our current condition than Jesus’s sexuality. For those objecting to the issue of homosexuality I challenge you to seek out education and relationship with those identifying as homosexual. But for those that object and decree that God cannot or does not love homosexuals, listen only to the words of Jesus, “Get behind me Satan. You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

What if Jesus was gay? I don’t think we’ll ever know, but I do know that Jesus said, “Whatever you have done for the least of these, you’ve done unto me.”

Jesus said it. I believe it. That settles it.

Zachary Bailes

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Bailes holds a Master of Divinity from Wake Forest University School of Divinity. He is the Editor of Crazy Liberals and Conservatives, a website dedicated to engaging the intersection of faith and public life.

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  • jeangaijin

    Thank you for this interesting piece. And thank you for mentioning Bayard Rustin, one of the unsung heroes of the civil rights movement, and a gay man.

  • Challa

    GOD loves homosexuals. However, he hates homosexuality. Imagine, what world would we expect, if such advocacy of homosexuality happened 2000 years age ? you and I were not born

    • http://www.facebook.com/MCFAN Justin Bishop

      There were the same amount of homosexuals 2000 years ago without advocacy that there would have been had it been approved of. Having a pro-gay stance doesn’t make more people gay, it just allows those that are gay to be able to live their lives in peace. God Bless.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1547662985 Sabrina Beach

      On the contrary, homosexuality happened 2000 years ago. And 3000 years, and 5000, and 10,000, and there are archaeological records proving this. It’s likely homosexual activity has occurred since the dawn of time. Over 1600 species of animals on this planet, including humans, exhibit homosexual relationships and activity.

      I also know many homosexual couples who have offspring. Homosexuallity does not also mean sterility, and they are just as capable of procreation as anyone else.

      I find it impossible to believe God hates something He Himself created. If God is love, then how does He hate?

      • bereal

        God is Love but He hates evil. It is the sexual practise of homosexuality in humans which is evil and unatural. God from the beginning create male and female.

      • MargaretMinhas

        God is love but love is not God.
        Hebrews 12:7-11 NASV
        7It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, so that we may share His holiness. 11All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.
        None of us likes verse 11.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MCFAN Justin Bishop

    Thank you for this article. It spoke directly to my soul.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victorcalvin.hoe Victor Calvin Hoe

    if Jesus outed today, he would be stoned by the islamist, isolated and shunned by some religious leaders (even within some churches). Jesus became the saviour because he gave hope to the man made intolerance to much inflexible religious laws. Why do you think that there were so many jewish lawyers (sanhendron)? They interpeted the application of the Judaic law (both religious and secular applications),

  • Sara Smoczyk

    Anyone seeing the title of article needs to read the entire article.

  • minhases

    Though the title, as intended, surely hooked many fish due to its faux-progressive superficiality, we may as well diatribe on oxymoronic topics such as, “What if 1+1=3?”

    To my simplistic mind it seems somewhat ironic that God (is he also homosexual?) would incinerate Sodom & Gomorrah for their homosexual inflagarations only to later allow propitiation for same via a gay Saviour …

    Am I looking at it too simplistically?

    • Demosthenes

      Yes, you are. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality. Ezekiel 16:49 tells us that Sodom’s sin was that they were “arrogant, overfed and unconcerned” and “did not help the poor and needy.”

      But even if we were to presume that the incident in Genesis 19 was the only reason God destroyed Sodom, to use that incident to condemn all gay people would be just as stupid and offensive as if we used the story in Judges 19, where the men of a town gang-rape and murder a woman (you’ll note that this is basically the exact same situation as the one in Genesis, but with an opposite-sex victim rather than a same-sex one), to condemn all straight people.

      I don’t accuse you of wanting to gang-rape and murder female concubines and chop them up into little pieces just because you’re heterosexual. I’d appreciate it if you didn’t accuse me, or any other of your LGBT brothers and sisters in Christ, of wanting to gang-rape angels just because we’re not heterosexual.

      Do not bring up Sodom in the gays vs. Christians debate. It just makes you look ignorant — of history, of Scripture, and of LGBT people (many of whom, I must reiterate, are Christian. Being bisexual does not preclude me from believing the Apostle’s Creed.).

      • MargaretMinhas

        Thank you for replying – let me first apologize for being as (vengefully) inflammatory, in my first post, as the original author.
        I will attempt to be more civil in this post.
        Though I believe the bible, I am not aware of irrefutable archaeological evidence to support the existence of the cities themselves, much less the Sodom/Gomorrah destruction passages.  Please enlighten me as to how I might be ignorant of (non-existent) history.
        Next let us examine how I might be ignorant of Scripture. You write: “The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality.”
        I doubt if you are able to support this conclusion as even the most scholarly interpretations are debatable at best.
        Since you are quoting the bible I will assume you will accord me the same.Is it acceptable to quote from the NASV (New American Standard Version)?
        Not sure why you jump to Ezekiel … but let us examine the passage (Genesis 4-8) in a fuller context:
        “4 … the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter;5 and they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.”6 But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him,7 and said, “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.8 “Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men …”
        The bible uses the same phrase “have relations with” for the intentions of the Sodomites as it does for the virginity of Lot’s daughters.  It seems to clearly imply sexual relations.(Other translation use the phrase “to know” for both also).
        Can you offer another plausible meaning within context? BTW I am aware of the hospitality argument but the homosexuality argument is much more contxtual and logical
        So please demonstrate how I might be scripturally ignorant.
        In an even broader context: Romans 1:26-27: “26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.” There are other verses that could be quoted but this is a post not an essay.
        Lastly let us examine how I might be ignorant of LGBT people – though I am not sure what you mean. I will readily admit I am not an expert in LGBT people/issues.  At the same time I will not admit complete ignorance.
        Let me focus on your claim that many LGBT people are Christian.
        Firstly, I believe that ANY person needs to be mindful when they call themselves a Christian – it is a tremendous claim with attendant responsibilities. I am sobered by Matthew 7:21-23:
        21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
        We are ALL sinners, hence even Christians are also sinners.But there is big difference between being a sinner and denying that a particular sinful behaviour is a sin. Even Paul, though he kept doing what he did not want to do, never crossed the line to say what he was doing was not SIN. So we can still be Christian if we keep sinning as long as we keep trying not to and are (truly) repentent when we do.
        But can we be Christian if we call sin, good?  Reading Isaiah 5:20 :
        20 “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;”
        Of course this works both ways and it is possible that I am calling homosexuality evil whereas it is good. If so, please furnish Scripture to support that assertion.  On the contrary there many to the exact opposite.
        Perhaps simplistically, I will continue to conclude that homosexuality is a sin, though like any other, forgivable, but must be repented of.
        At the end of the day, even if I could make them, the most eloquent arguments will not replace the workings of the Holy Spirit.
        I enjoin you to pray that the Holy Spirit would “find any unclean way within me”.
        I will do likewise.

      • MarkOsgatharp

        The apostle Jude said that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, were judged by God for committing fornication and “going after strange flesh.”  This statement cannot possibly refer specifically nor exclusively to the attempted rape of Lot’s angelic guests because it implicates several different cities.  Jude’s little letter could not more clearly and explicitly indict the current movement to justify the crime of sodomy in the name of God’s love.  As it is written, “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”  The fact is, Jesus was not a sodomite and He does not condone sodomy.  Rather than trying to justify this abomination you should be rejoicing in the fact that Christ spilled His holy and precious blood so those guilty of it can be forgiven and cleansed and redeemed.  Shame on all of you at ABP for taking up the cause of Satan and polluting the blessed name of the Savior – SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!

    • rnadratowski

      If I am made in Gods image then God must be Man, Woman, Child, Gay, Straight, Black, White, Yellow, etc.  That is to say if God exsited/exists, he made all in His image therefore why could there Not be a Gay Savior. You are looking at it through HUMAN eyes and if you so strongly believe in YOUR opinion, I ask you to take the time to look at your second post.  There are sooooo many ways we can use words to hurt people.  I challenge all of you who think that homosexuality is a sin and find passages in the bible to support people who are homosexual.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Osgatharp/1623970822 Mark Osgatharp

    And what if Jesus really meant it when He told the church at Thyatira that He would kill the children of Jezebel, who that church allowed to teach His servants to commit fornication and engage in idolatry, with death? If that be the case, Mr. Bailes and those at ABP who are hell bent on pushing the sodomite agenda are in some real hot water.

  • MargaretMinhas

    Why was my reply to Demosthenes deleted?  Is this a technical glitch or the modus operandi when there is a divergent opinion that you cannot tolerate?

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      • MargaretMinhas

        @abpnews on some sites i have seen word counters built into the COMMENT widget … might be helpful

    • MarkOsgatharp

      @MargaretMinhas Margaret, My post wasn’t too long – they just deleted it because I said “shame” on them!  ROFL!

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  • BrianJacobs

    If Jesus was gay, he certainly didn’t act upon it and undoubtedly fought against it in the flesh. But your theology is off. Homosexuality IS a sin, a perversion. That being said, the bible clearly says there was no sin in Him (1 John 3:5).

    • rnadratowski

       Wow all you people here are so Adamant in your knowledge of what a sin IS.  I think we all need to put you up on a pedestal since you must have a direct phone line with God. The fact is only God can determine what a sin is and beyond that, whoever throws the first stone, lets not forget that YOU are a sinner to. 1 John 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us.  So do us all a favor and stop condemning people for sins that do not harm You as YOU are also a sinner.

      • BrianJacobs

        @rnadratowski  1. The Bible is pretty clear on what sin is. In fact, Romans 1 mentions several specific sins and homosexuality is amongst them. God called homosexual behavior dishonorable, unnatural, and a shameless act (sin).2. I AM NO BETTER. I am a debauched, falling and pathetic sinner with no hope outside of Christ.3. Jesus is NOT hopeless. Jesus is NOT fallen. JESUS IS HOLY.4. Not throwing stones, Stating facts.5. I’m praying for you.

        • rnadratowski

          @BrianJacobs @rnadratowski

        • CherylRThomas

          @BrianJacobs  @rnadratowski   I just spent 2 hours studying Romans 1-3 on the issue of homosexuality with NT scholars on DarkwoodBrew.org and I can tell you Brian that the text in Romans 1:26-27 was not about covenanted relations between equals.  It was about greedy, lustful sex between unequals.  Paul did not know anything about sexual orientation, nor did his cultural background envision covenental relationships of love between people of the same sex.  The purpose of this passage is to point us to an understanding that draws a circle wider than our pre-concieved lines in the sand.  In the first century Paul is trying to get church folk to include uncircumcised Gentiles.  If we bring these passages forward it is entirely plausible that Paul would be advocating for the full inclusion of LGBT people and the expectation of equal marriage for sexual involvement. I will take your prayers Brian. :)

        • BrianJacobs

          @CherylRThomas  I’ve heard this “covenanted relations between equals” argument before and it is just flat out wrong. The exegesis is wrong and is based on unstable hermeneutics. It’s reaching at best. Cheryl, to say that “Paul did not know anything about sexual orientation” is pointless. Paul did not know anything about sexual addiction and the release of endorphins in the technical sense either. However, he did know the drawings of the flesh and struggled with temptation: “For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.” Galatians 5:17″For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.” Romans 7:15So. He may NOT have known our current “understanding” of sexual behavior, but he still knew it was unnatural and wrong. Just like a man saying he has to have sex with multiple people because he’s a “sex” addict. Paul emphasizes grace above all. You may have been born with the unnatural and ungodly pull to the same sex, but that does not mean you have to succumb to those desire. Just like I must fight not to succumb to lusting after a woman that is not my wife. Jesus promised it would be tough. And asking people to deny there flesh for a greater glory is fundamental to the teachings of Jesus Christ our Lord.

        • rnadratowski

          @BrianJacobs@CherylRThomas Brian, how do you know that the argument is WRONG? You are showing yourself.  You have made multiple errors in critical thinking.  1. Unwarrented assumptions – this problem with your argument lies in the inability to observe multiple interpretations of a text that is 2000 years old and looking at it with a broad perspective.  Are there
          are unexamined conclusions which we take for granted. Rather, you should not assume you KNOW what or how the author meant his/her writings. 2. knowing that same sex attraction is unnatural and ungoldy – this is a rationalization error. 3. Unfortunately the underlying problem is that there is no EVIDENCE of the authors thought process to base your thinking.  Who even wrote the bible? Scholars cant even agree on this.  Therefore the basis of your statement above is your BELIFS and not fact.  Please do not state your belifs as FACT.

        • BrianJacobs

          @rnadratowski@CherylRThomasAh. Now I see what the problem is. We’re approaching this argument with two different core beliefs about the Bible. It’s futile to argue hermeneutics and discuss the proper exegesis of the text if we don’t agree on the authority and authorship of the Bible. There are two ways we can approach this—we can argue from a devotional standpoint or an textual critical standpoint. Either way, it’s not difficult to understand the overarching theme and the intent of the author. I’m sorry if it does not fit nicely into what your world view, but it’s pretty clear to me and a great number of other people smarter than me and have studied scripture for more years than I’ve been alive. 
          I want you to know that I see people with an attraction to the same sex broken like me. I don’t think it’s sin to be broken. It’s the result of sin to be broken. But to just be that way, to feel that way, I don’t think is any more sin than my feeling heterosexual. It’s unnatural, it’s broken, but now I have the choice with my heterosexuality to make it sin or to make it holy.  
          A person who wrestles with homosexual temptations and desires has the same choice: to sin with it, or to be chaste and to seek to overcome and to move into something more God-appointed.

        • rnadratowski

          @BrianJacobs  @CherylRThomas Your apology is a nonapology. You cannot apologize that a text does not fit into my world view.  I digress.  Funny that you see everyone as BROKEN.  Is herterosexuality broken too. The problem with heterosexual people (and now I am being stereotypical) lies in their inability to see through the eyes of a homosexual person.  If you fall in love do you deny yourself that?  Why would you that is a good thing.  However you demand that homosexuals refrain from loving someone based on their anatomy which is clearly a broken thought.  A final word.  Homosexual people cannot reproduce however they continue to appear throughout history and will continue to appear (as offspring of heterosexual people).  If this were not what God intended why does this continue to happen?

        • BrianJacobs

          @rnadratowski  @CherylRThomas Yes, everyone is broken. My heterosexuality is broken when my understanding of it and desire to act on it is not in line with the will of God. It’s broken when my desire is for a woman that is not my wife.Because we are broken people living in a broken world, we do things and have desire for things that are contrary to what God wants. Heterosexuals give birth to murders and thieves and people with those desires to harm and steal. Did God intend for them to be that way? I say Yes. Does God want them to repent and turn from it? Clearly, yes.

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  • CherylRThomas

    Excellent post Zachary.  One of the best I have seen on ABP ever.  Thank you for asking this question.

  • CherylRThomas

    By using Jesus’ question in Matthew 25, Zachary Bailes asks..” What if Jesus were among us? What if Jesus said, “When I was hungry, you fed me; when I was naked, you clothed me; when I was the homosexual, you welcomed me.” We say that to not welcome the stranger, to not love your enemies, means not loving Jesus.   What if Jesus were gay?

  • golfer19461

    Just the last statement validates Zacharys immaturity and misconception of the Truth….The Bible being The inffalible and inerrant Word does not need my belief or yours to be settled…The Scripture say the Word is forever settled in Heaven Psalm 119:89 where I believe it are not (I do believe it).The problem is that there are self proclaimed theologians who study with attempt to validate their on belief by by taking scripture out of context, nor do they understand the laws of interrprtation.
    For the record there is only one translation of any Biblical text, anyone can be wrong but when you come up with an interrpretation that is totally contrary to historical interrpretation it is most likely wrong. My other point would be,if you attend a liberal theological seminary you may have a liberal view of the Bible.
    It is truly a stupid statement to suggest that the incarnate God who was born of a virgin and lived a sinless life and died a varcarious death, bore my sin in his body ,rose from the grave in bodily form victorious over death,sin and the grave could be gay.Jesus being God in the flesh is the key for He was God therefore He could not be gay for certainly God who hates sin is not i.e.,homosexuality,adultry,fornication,beastality,pedifillia.lying,drunkedness,stealing,coveting etc.NOTE I did not say He hates the sinner,just the opposite he loves all men yet he hates the sin mine included.I do not hate anyone due to lifestyle or conduct I do hate sin due to what it does  e.g My dad, who I have no bitterness or anger towards abandoned me at one month old ,divorced my mother and left her with my two half sisters and my sister,My dad and one sister spent time in prison by grace there goes me…..in any sin you can imagine.Love your neighbor,love God,obey God and live your life for his glory and what ever others think of me is no concern of mine as long as He is my strength,rock,refuge and strength day to day.Praise to the Lord who will come again to receive those who believe and they will forever will be with Him.

  • Njnapier

    wow.  I am pretty surprised that so much of this thread has missed Bailes point.  He is not arguing for a gay Jesus.  His sympathies may lie here, and his title is certainly provocative, but the title is just an extension of the Parable Jesus tells in Matthew 25, esp because the author asks the question in this very context.  Here is the passage, Matthew 25: “34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
    The author is arguing for an extension of Christian love to those who society, or in our case Christians, ignore or ostracize…this makes the title as question a good one.  Jesus could have in fact said, “when I was gay, you offered me friendship” and it would NOT be inconsistent with his argument in this parable.  We are being challenged to “feed my sheep” if you will…this is Bailes plea and he cites those who have fought for marginal folks along the way.  And the fact that so much of this thread has missed this, and has rescinded into arguments on sexuality, proves exactly his point.

    • MargaretMinhas

      njnapier, do you not see a difference between ‘welcoming’ a gay person versus condoning their homosexuality?
      i think the passage quoted exhorts us to welcome but does not imply condoning.

  • MargaretMinhas

    @njnapier, this ‘plea’ was missed but ignored because it is meaningless and contradictory
    it is like saying “what is jesus said i was a child molester and you welcomed me…”
    in a prev post it is the equiv of what i f”1+1=3″?  not to mention (potentially?) blasphemous …
    as with Barna frog the temperature changes almost imperceptibly … so you may have missed it
    of course any person that ‘admonishes’ a brother/sister, be it in love, is considered judgmental 
    thank our very God that he has allowed even little children to understand what the scholars cannot

  • MargaretMinhas

    @njnapier, this ‘plea’ was not missed but ignored because it is meaningless
    it is like saying “what if jesus said: i was a child molester and you welcomed me…”
    in a prev post i wrote, it is the equiv of what if 1+1=3″?
    not to mention (potentially?) blasphemous …
    as with Barna frog the temperature changes almost imperceptibly … so you may have missed it
    of course any person that ‘admonishes’ a brother/sister, be it in love, is considered judgmental 
    thank our very God that he has allowed even little children to understand what the scholars cannot

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